2021 NBA歷史百大球員排行 - NBA

By Liam
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※ 引述《et3020001 (furiouspanda)》之銘言:
: 原Po可歌可泣的公式設計,其實就是一些小地方要改一下
: 調整結果如我的Excel所示
: 請看
: https://imgur.com/9I7hP3M
: 我很公平對吧
: 公正結論:
: 考量累計數據的真實重要性與強弱區的相對調整
: LBJ只有剛好擠入歷史前四,遠不到GOAT的地步
: 至於狂組團這種扣分係數我就不放入了
: 避免爭議
: 反正也不需要我這樣,強弱區係數就夠了
: 本文感謝:
: 感謝在原Po文章底下有位Xavier412958大大
: 他給了我整篇文章的靈感
: #1W-eVYI2 (NBA)
: : 噓 Xavier412958: 累積數據放得與冠軍榮譽和個人獎項一樣重,搞什麼啊 07/23
: : → Xavier412958: ? 07/23
: : → Xavier412958: 怎麼不加入強弱區調整係數呢? 07/23
: : → Xavier412958: 強區來的總分110%計算,弱區來的只有90% 07/23
實在看不下去了,部分媒體為了點閱把姆斯排在名不符實的歷史第二就已經夠誇張了,
系列文的首篇竟然不知從哪創了個偏誤極重的公式,把姆斯狂吹到歷史第一?????
et3020001和Xavier412958兩位板友的後續討論其實已經頗為中肯,但我覺得他們還是
說得太客氣了些。從修正後的公式就知道,單純論數據與成就姆斯不要說歷史前二了,
連前三都排不進去,更何況姆斯的數據還是用十多年的球霸型打法刷出來的,成就則是
靠著不停的轉隊組團抱腿沾光沾來的(難怪他有個綽號叫沾皇,表示沾光界的第一人)
所以說把這些因素都納入考量的話,姆斯不要說歷史前五了,他連前十都沒資格排入。
今年字母哥單核帶領公鹿奪冠更加地強化了我的論點,因為字母哥完成了姆斯達不到的
成就,更是進一步的粉碎了姆斯轉隊組團抱腿的藉口根基。字母哥可以在不轉隊不組團
的條件下單核奪冠,且在母隊生涯拿下FMVP+MVP+DPOY,對於姆斯評價的影響不在於說
他因此就超越了姆斯,而是讓眾人再次意識到姆斯那些靠著投機方法拿到的數據與成就
是必須大大打折扣的,因為姆斯無法跟那些歷史排名前十的前輩一樣靠著自己在母隊帶
隊奪冠。姆斯的藉口是「因為有人組團了,我贏不了所以也必須組團」就這樣開啟了大
抱團時代,人們也漸漸忘記在母隊一路成長克服難關後奪冠是多麼的珍貴及偉大,直到
今年字母哥辦到了。所以說,如果要拿姆斯這些轉隊組團抱腿而來的成就,說他就超越
了歷史前十的那些前輩們,其實是極為不公平的,因為只要簡單想想,如果喬丹/魔術/
大鳥/老大...等人打不贏就跑去組團,那他們能獲得的成就會有多巨大多驚人,光是
這點,姆斯就連拿來和他們放在同一個基準點比較的資格都沒有。
並不是說我要刻意去黑姆斯(例如什麼他連前三十或前五十都沒有的這種反串言論),
我要做的不過是撥亂反正,將他的評價做一個公平的校正,相信這也是姆斯退休後媒體
也會跟著做的一件事。其他更多更詳細姆斯為什麼沒有資格排入NBA歷史前十的論述,
可以參考板上我的文章,該篇內容獲得眾多板友的肯定,隨著時間也會一一獲得驗證。
以下再簡單重複我一直以來的立場:
NBA至今的前十大球星排名大致如下:
喬神/賈霸/羅素/魔術/TD/老大/大鳥/歐肥/歐拉/張大帥
不論是累積成就、球場上的實力與影響力、或值得被讚揚的精神或態度,上述十位巨星
都有姆斯終其生涯都無法與之比擬之處。幾年後姆斯退休,在歷史排名上大概就是落在
11~15這個位置,其實這也算是不錯的評價了,但硬要把他排入前十,更誇張的甚至還
發明量身打造的公式,把他吹成GOAT,那簡直稱不上討論,而是荒謬至極的胡扯罷了。
--
: 原Po可歌可泣的公式設計,其實就是一些小地方要改一下
: 調整結果如我的Excel所示
: 請看
: https://imgur.com/9I7hP3M
: 我很公平對吧
: 公正結論:
: 考量累計數據的真實重要性與強弱區的相對調整
: LBJ只有剛好擠入歷史前四,遠不到GOAT的地步
: 至於狂組團這種扣分係數我就不放入了
: 避免爭議
: 反正也不需要我這樣,強弱區係數就夠了
: 本文感謝:
: 感謝在原Po文章底下有位Xavier412958大大
: 他給了我整篇文章的靈感
: #1W-eVYI2 (NBA)
: : 噓 Xavier412958: 累積數據放得與冠軍榮譽和個人獎項一樣重,搞什麼啊 07/23
: : → Xavier412958: ? 07/23
: : → Xavier412958: 怎麼不加入強弱區調整係數呢? 07/23
: : → Xavier412958: 強區來的總分110%計算,弱區來的只有90% 07/23
實在看不下去了,部分媒體為了點閱把姆斯排在名不符實的歷史第二就已經夠誇張了,
系列文的首篇竟然不知從哪創了個偏誤極重的公式,把姆斯狂吹到歷史第一?????
et3020001和Xavier412958兩位板友的後續討論其實已經頗為中肯,但我覺得他們還是
說得太客氣了些。從修正後的公式就知道,單純論數據與成就姆斯不要說歷史前二了,
連前三都排不進去,更何況姆斯的數據還是用十多年的球霸型打法刷出來的,成就則是
靠著不停的轉隊組團抱腿沾光沾來的(難怪他有個綽號叫沾皇,表示沾光界的第一人)
所以說把這些因素都納入考量的話,姆斯不要說歷史前五了,他連前十都沒資格排入。
今年字母哥單核帶領公鹿奪冠更加地強化了我的論點,因為字母哥完成了姆斯達不到的
成就,更是進一步的粉碎了姆斯轉隊組團抱腿的藉口根基。字母哥可以在不轉隊不組團
的條件下單核奪冠,且在母隊生涯拿下FMVP+MVP+DPOY,對於姆斯評價的影響不在於說
他因此就超越了姆斯,而是讓眾人再次意識到姆斯那些靠著投機方法拿到的數據與成就
是必須大大打折扣的,因為姆斯無法跟那些歷史排名前十的前輩一樣靠著自己在母隊帶
隊奪冠。姆斯的藉口是「因為有人組團了,我贏不了所以也必須組團」就這樣開啟了大
抱團時代,人們也漸漸忘記在母隊一路成長克服難關後奪冠是多麼的珍貴及偉大,直到
今年字母哥辦到了。所以說,如果要拿姆斯這些轉隊組團抱腿而來的成就,說他就超越
了歷史前十的那些前輩們,其實是極為不公平的,因為只要簡單想想,如果喬丹/魔術/
大鳥/老大...等人打不贏就跑去組團,那他們能獲得的成就會有多巨大多驚人,光是
這點,姆斯就連拿來和他們放在同一個基準點比較的資格都沒有。
並不是說我要刻意去黑姆斯(例如什麼他連前三十或前五十都沒有的這種反串言論),
我要做的不過是撥亂反正,將他的評價做一個公平的校正,相信這也是姆斯退休後媒體
也會跟著做的一件事。其他更多更詳細姆斯為什麼沒有資格排入NBA歷史前十的論述,
可以參考板上我的文章,該篇內容獲得眾多板友的肯定,隨著時間也會一一獲得驗證。
以下再簡單重複我一直以來的立場:
NBA至今的前十大球星排名大致如下:
喬神/賈霸/羅素/魔術/TD/老大/大鳥/歐肥/歐拉/張大帥
不論是累積成就、球場上的實力與影響力、或值得被讚揚的精神或態度,上述十位巨星
都有姆斯終其生涯都無法與之比擬之處。幾年後姆斯退休,在歷史排名上大概就是落在
11~15這個位置,其實這也算是不錯的評價了,但硬要把他排入前十,更誇張的甚至還
發明量身打造的公式,把他吹成GOAT,那簡直稱不上討論,而是荒謬至極的胡扯罷了。
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