2021 NBA歷史百大球員排行 - NBA

By Faithe
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發表一下自己的想法,其實去年就有PO一篇,只針對某些項討論,
首先很多人認為,原PO的計算,低估了DPOY和防守隊,低估XX王,特別是得分王,
另外明星賽太高,這篇就討論這些範圍.
先說個人結論,之後再做分析,
1.DPOY和防守隊,就是不重要,這玩意就額外加分性質.
2.XX王就是不重要,這玩意就是額外加分性質.
3.明星賽應該要分先發替補.
若以官方定義的獎項來看,
MVP代表單季最強,
第一隊代表分位置最強五人,
第二隊第三隊依此類推.
很多人質疑防守價值被低估,但反過來說,
有防守隊卻沒有攻擊隊,這樣看起來,是攻擊被低估吧.
NBA年度隊指的是綜合能力,並非只看攻擊能力,不然大班憑什麼入選年度二隊?
舉例來說,今年的DPOY Gobert只拿到第三隊,
這就告訴你,最強的防守球員,只能在中鋒排在第三名,
14-15 DPOY是可愛,但這年他連第三隊都沒有,
這告訴我們這年防守最好的球員,甚至連前鋒前六名都排不上,
木桶伯拿過4次DPOY,史上最多,但是就一次二陣,兩次三陣.
以上例子就是要說,DPOY和防守隊就是不重要.
因為NBA就有定義MVP和年度隊,所以其他任何的獎項都不該凌駕在其之上,
我這麼說不是說防守不重要,而是防守好會貢獻在MVP和年度隊上,
換句話說,假如你防守無敵厲害,有了你,球隊就會82勝0敗,那你就會拿MVP和第一隊.
XX王基本上也是一樣道理,舉例來說,瓜哥曾經拿過得分王,卻沒有第一隊,
這意思就是說,就算瓜哥當年是得分王,但是在前鋒連前兩名都不是.
假如一個人得分能力鬼神到不行,能讓球隊82勝0敗,那你就會拿到MVP和第一隊.
原PO的算法除了獎項外,還包含PER和WIN SHARE,若是你防守好,得分能力強,
其實也會貢獻在這兩項分數上.
舉一個簡單例子,今天A是第一隊,B是第二隊,
但是A沒有防守隊,也沒有XX王,B卻是DPOY加上籃板王,
那請問A和B誰比較厲害?
假如B比A強,那第一隊就是B了,這就證明DPOY和XX王很廉價,噱頭罷了.
再來一個問題,
A是今年MVP,同時拿了DPOY+得分王,
B是去年MVP,並沒有入防守隊,也沒單項第一,
那今年的A和去年的B誰比較強,
答案是一樣強吧,都代表他們是當年最強,
頂多可以說A頭銜好聽,但是這兩者根本是一樣的,都是當年最強.
今年中鋒第一隊是小丑,第二隊是鉛筆,小丑有MVP就不說了,
狗貝拿下DPOY,另外火鍋籃板都是第二,其實離火鍋王和籃板王也不遠,
那假如狗貝數據好一點,拿到火鍋王+籃板王,就能幹掉鉛筆嗎?
假如你拿到了DPOY+一堆王,卻拿不到MVP和第一隊,
這不就告訴你DPOY和XX王根本沒你想像重要嗎.
就因為NBA官方用MVP和年度隊伍定義了球員的強度,
所以其他數據都是為了幫助你獲得MVP和前三隊.
因此在MVP和年度隊伍以外的獎項,就是不重要.
另外關於明星賽,我個人是覺得應該分先發和候補,
因為先發需要球迷票選,這代表了球員的人氣和影響力,
這和上述的MVP,年度隊,防守隊等等都是獨立事件.
替補是教練選的,通常會考量實力,這會和年度隊有重複嫌疑.
以上個人看法,歡迎討論.
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首先很多人認為,原PO的計算,低估了DPOY和防守隊,低估XX王,特別是得分王,
另外明星賽太高,這篇就討論這些範圍.
先說個人結論,之後再做分析,
1.DPOY和防守隊,就是不重要,這玩意就額外加分性質.
2.XX王就是不重要,這玩意就是額外加分性質.
3.明星賽應該要分先發替補.
若以官方定義的獎項來看,
MVP代表單季最強,
第一隊代表分位置最強五人,
第二隊第三隊依此類推.
很多人質疑防守價值被低估,但反過來說,
有防守隊卻沒有攻擊隊,這樣看起來,是攻擊被低估吧.
NBA年度隊指的是綜合能力,並非只看攻擊能力,不然大班憑什麼入選年度二隊?
舉例來說,今年的DPOY Gobert只拿到第三隊,
這就告訴你,最強的防守球員,只能在中鋒排在第三名,
14-15 DPOY是可愛,但這年他連第三隊都沒有,
這告訴我們這年防守最好的球員,甚至連前鋒前六名都排不上,
木桶伯拿過4次DPOY,史上最多,但是就一次二陣,兩次三陣.
以上例子就是要說,DPOY和防守隊就是不重要.
因為NBA就有定義MVP和年度隊,所以其他任何的獎項都不該凌駕在其之上,
我這麼說不是說防守不重要,而是防守好會貢獻在MVP和年度隊上,
換句話說,假如你防守無敵厲害,有了你,球隊就會82勝0敗,那你就會拿MVP和第一隊.
XX王基本上也是一樣道理,舉例來說,瓜哥曾經拿過得分王,卻沒有第一隊,
這意思就是說,就算瓜哥當年是得分王,但是在前鋒連前兩名都不是.
假如一個人得分能力鬼神到不行,能讓球隊82勝0敗,那你就會拿到MVP和第一隊.
原PO的算法除了獎項外,還包含PER和WIN SHARE,若是你防守好,得分能力強,
其實也會貢獻在這兩項分數上.
舉一個簡單例子,今天A是第一隊,B是第二隊,
但是A沒有防守隊,也沒有XX王,B卻是DPOY加上籃板王,
那請問A和B誰比較厲害?
假如B比A強,那第一隊就是B了,這就證明DPOY和XX王很廉價,噱頭罷了.
再來一個問題,
A是今年MVP,同時拿了DPOY+得分王,
B是去年MVP,並沒有入防守隊,也沒單項第一,
那今年的A和去年的B誰比較強,
答案是一樣強吧,都代表他們是當年最強,
頂多可以說A頭銜好聽,但是這兩者根本是一樣的,都是當年最強.
今年中鋒第一隊是小丑,第二隊是鉛筆,小丑有MVP就不說了,
狗貝拿下DPOY,另外火鍋籃板都是第二,其實離火鍋王和籃板王也不遠,
那假如狗貝數據好一點,拿到火鍋王+籃板王,就能幹掉鉛筆嗎?
假如你拿到了DPOY+一堆王,卻拿不到MVP和第一隊,
這不就告訴你DPOY和XX王根本沒你想像重要嗎.
就因為NBA官方用MVP和年度隊伍定義了球員的強度,
所以其他數據都是為了幫助你獲得MVP和前三隊.
因此在MVP和年度隊伍以外的獎項,就是不重要.
另外關於明星賽,我個人是覺得應該分先發和候補,
因為先發需要球迷票選,這代表了球員的人氣和影響力,
這和上述的MVP,年度隊,防守隊等等都是獨立事件.
替補是教練選的,通常會考量實力,這會和年度隊有重複嫌疑.
以上個人看法,歡迎討論.
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