1996年公牛隊和2016年勇士隊,誰才是NBA史 - NBA
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1996年公牛隊和2016年勇士隊,誰才是NBA史上最強?
連結:http://sports.camerabay.tv/sports/NBA/0421_01/
芝加哥公牛隊知道這一天遲早會到來,任何記錄都有將被打破的一天,但是他們或許沒想到會是這個對手,或這個姓Curry的球員。
這裡說的不是金州勇士隊和Stephen Curry。
1996年4月8日,當公牛隊在主場迎戰夏洛特黃蜂隊時,他們已經寫下主場44連勝的紀錄,而38勝37敗、正在為季後賽老八席位打拼的黃蜂隊,不太像是以66勝8敗在聯盟獨走的公牛隊的對手。如同預期,公牛隊一度把領先拉開到15分,到上半場結束時,公牛隊仍以50比40領先黃蜂隊。
然而,第三節開始風雲變色,黃蜂隊打出單節35比22的比分逆轉了戰局,第四節一開始,他們又連續投進三顆三分球,到比賽剩下不到10分鐘的時候,黃蜂隊已經把比數拉開到84比72。
但是公牛隊有著最不服輸的球員,那就是前一季剛復出,亟欲證明自己還行的Michael Jordan(那場比賽他得到40分)。靠著Jordan的兩罰都進,公牛隊終於把比數扳成96比96平手,接下來更靠著Ron Harper的兩罰中一,幫助公牛隊取得97比96領先。
在公牛隊的強力防守下,黃蜂隊的進攻再度受挫,射手Dell Curry的出手被蓋了火鍋,但是他奮力把球從Scottie Pippen手中搶來,並且讓Pippen賠上犯規,Curry兩罰俱進,讓黃蜂隊又取得領先。
比賽剩下不到20秒,公牛隊還有機會,任何人都知道他們會把球給誰。但這次Jordan失手了,他切入禁區但球被拍掉,接下來Toni Kukoc的出手也不進,Pippen和Jordan有機會把球撥進但也沒成功,於是黃蜂隊以98比97擊敗公牛隊,也終止了後者主場44連勝的紀錄。
「我不認為任何人在輸了這場比賽之後會輾轉反側。」公牛隊的Phil Jackson教練說:「我不覺得我們會對這場敗仗那麼失望。我們有機會可以取勝的。」
事後回顧,Jackson或許會覺得當初自己說錯了。那個球季他們後來只再輸了一場比賽,締造了單季72勝10敗的聯盟紀錄。不過20年後,這個紀錄終被金州勇士隊所破,巧合的是,勇士隊的當家球星Stephen Curry,正是當年兩罰幫助黃蜂隊逆轉取勝的Dell Curry的兒子。
「我的確記得去夏洛特體育館,看我爸打球。」Stephen Curry說:「那是一場你不會想錯過的比賽……我記得自己小時候待在後頭,待在球員通道,希望能和Jordan、Pippen、Dennis Rodman和Kerr教練擦身而過。小時候,那是一個很特別的時刻。」
兩支球隊或許前後差了一代二十年,但是任何一個籃球迷心中都會產生那個問題:1996年的公牛隊和2016年的勇士隊,到底誰比較強?
1996年的公牛隊如同當時的聯盟更強調籃板,而他們有著七連霸籃板王的Dennis Rodman,2016年的勇士隊則引領了現在聯盟強調三分外線的趨勢,當然單季投進超過400顆三分球的Stephen Curry,是聯盟首屈一指的射手,勇士隊的球風快速,而公牛隊的防守強悍,兩支球隊有著截然不同的球風,要怎麼比較誰強誰弱呢?
就像是每個張飛打岳飛的問題,每個籃球迷心中都有著自己的答案,知名數據網站「FiveThirtyEight」曾經透過模擬預測公牛隊有65%的機率會勝出,最可能的結果是4勝2敗,但是電動廠商2K Sports模擬的結果則剛好相反,最有可能的結果反而是勇士隊以六場比賽勝出,就連哈佛的學生也跳了進來,企圖利用運彩業的數據算出哪支球隊比較強。
Jordan或許難以阻擋,但又有誰能封鎖Curry?
向來愛大放厥詞、不加遮攔的名人堂球星Charles Barkley當然也有自己的見解。「那支公牛隊會痛宰這支矮小的球隊。」他曾說:「拜託,誰要守Scottie Pippen和Michael Jordan?還有Dennis Rodman?」
Barkley的觀點或許有些道理,畢竟Jordan可能是聯盟歷史上最難阻擋的進攻武器,但勇士隊也有好幾位球員可以利用各自特點騷擾Jordan,從Jordan的北卡學弟Harrison Barnes、防守能力被低估的Klay Thompson、曾經入選年度防守第一隊的Andre Iguodala和Draymond Green,每個都是身強體壯的優秀防守球員。
另一方面,公牛隊或許也會面臨相似的問題:誰要守Stephen Curry?
「我想我的體型和臂長可以對Curry造成一點影響。」Pippen說,他宣稱自己可以把Curry的得分壓制在20分之下。但是真是如此嗎?
Jackson教練在不久前受到許多人責難,因為他把Curry和1990年代的射手Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf相提並論。Curry和Abdul-Rauf或許不能相比,但是1996年的公牛隊正巧曾經敗在Abdul-Rauf所屬的丹佛金塊隊,那場比賽Abdul-Rauf三分球投10中4,獨得32分。
或許那只是一場比賽的結果,但Curry可是聯盟歷史上前所未見的射手,他的進攻威脅性或許不在Jordan之下,這點從與兩支球隊都有牽連的Kerr教練口中說出,也許更有說服力
「我很幸運可以和Michael Jordan一起打球,而且幾乎每個晚上,他都會有一些驚人的表現。」Kerr教練說:「我會說Steph現在也處在那個層次。你每天晚上都可以見識到,而且那很棒,不過那已經變得稀鬆平常,因為他太常有那樣表現。」
勇士隊的板凳深度優於公牛隊
「我不想說我們比他們強得多,但是我想不管攻守兩端,我們都有更多武器和力量。」Kukoc說:「我當然覺得如果在季後賽,我們會以4比1或4比2出線。」
但或許事實和Kukoc說的正好相反,相較於公牛隊,勇士隊反而更加兵多將廣,他們平均每場上場超過15分鐘的球員有九位,而公牛隊只有八位,而與替補球員比較價值因數(Value Over Replacement Player)不是負值的,勇士隊有14位,公牛隊只有10位。除此之外,勝利貢獻值(Win Shares)超過4的球員,勇士隊有七位,公牛隊只有六位,人們或許可以說公牛隊集中在Jordan、Pippen等幾位球員身上,但勇士隊還有Festus Ezeli和Leandro Barbosa等球員可以上場發揮些許影響(如下圖)。
勇士隊面對的競爭強度更勝過公牛隊
「我們有很多場比賽痛宰對手。」公牛隊主席Jerry Reinsdorf說:「他們有多少場比賽是打平,然後在延長賽才贏球?我們沒有那麼多那樣的比賽。」
的確,1996年的公牛隊平均勝分是12.2分,而2016年的勇士隊則是10.8分,公牛隊只打了兩場延長賽(兩場都贏球),勇士隊卻打了六場延長賽,還有一場二度延長賽(他們輸了其中一場)。
但是這樣的說法,或許忽略了1996年和2016年聯盟競爭強度的不同。從1988年球季起,NBA迅速從23支球隊擴張到29支球隊,從1988年的邁阿密熱火隊和夏洛特黃蜂隊、1989年的明尼蘇達灰狼隊和奧蘭多魔術隊到1995年的溫哥華灰熊隊和多倫多暴龍隊,相對的,在其後二十年間,聯盟只多增加了一支紐奧良鵜鶘隊,而根據ESPN的數據顯示,1996年球季的競爭強度似乎比2016年要弱了兩成。
最後一件事……
還有一點或許是最重要的,那就是公牛隊不用面對鋪天蓋地般的媒體和網路,直到球季後期,人們才開始關注他們可能打破1972年洛杉磯湖人隊的69勝戰績的新聞,當他們打破紀錄那一晚,球隊總管Jerry Krause甚至沒有和球隊在一起,而是在其他地方觀察別的球員。
「沒有每場比賽都在關注,像是今年的勇士隊一樣。」Kukoc說:「我們沒注意這件事。我們只有享受那時刻,贏下比賽。」
「我真的認為,就這件事不停歇的問題和討論-不管是主場連勝或是紀錄還是什麼-我認為那些的確造成影響,不管球員知不知道,或者有沒有意識到。」Kerr教練說。
當然了,有一點是現在勇士隊仍然比不上公牛隊的,那就是總冠軍。1996年的公牛隊在季後賽前11場比賽只輸了1場,他們直到總冠軍賽面對西雅圖超音速隊才真正面臨考驗,最後他們以六場勝出,捧回總冠軍。
勇士隊也清楚這點,Curry就說:「如果沒有把事情搞定就太糟糕了。」
「我們擁抱它,我們很享受。」Andrew Bogut這樣評論73勝的紀錄:「現在下一步是要把那數字推到89。」
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心得:現在不知道是老人說的對 還是數據會說話了
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連結:http://sports.camerabay.tv/sports/NBA/0421_01/
芝加哥公牛隊知道這一天遲早會到來,任何記錄都有將被打破的一天,但是他們或許沒想到會是這個對手,或這個姓Curry的球員。
這裡說的不是金州勇士隊和Stephen Curry。
1996年4月8日,當公牛隊在主場迎戰夏洛特黃蜂隊時,他們已經寫下主場44連勝的紀錄,而38勝37敗、正在為季後賽老八席位打拼的黃蜂隊,不太像是以66勝8敗在聯盟獨走的公牛隊的對手。如同預期,公牛隊一度把領先拉開到15分,到上半場結束時,公牛隊仍以50比40領先黃蜂隊。
然而,第三節開始風雲變色,黃蜂隊打出單節35比22的比分逆轉了戰局,第四節一開始,他們又連續投進三顆三分球,到比賽剩下不到10分鐘的時候,黃蜂隊已經把比數拉開到84比72。
但是公牛隊有著最不服輸的球員,那就是前一季剛復出,亟欲證明自己還行的Michael Jordan(那場比賽他得到40分)。靠著Jordan的兩罰都進,公牛隊終於把比數扳成96比96平手,接下來更靠著Ron Harper的兩罰中一,幫助公牛隊取得97比96領先。
在公牛隊的強力防守下,黃蜂隊的進攻再度受挫,射手Dell Curry的出手被蓋了火鍋,但是他奮力把球從Scottie Pippen手中搶來,並且讓Pippen賠上犯規,Curry兩罰俱進,讓黃蜂隊又取得領先。
比賽剩下不到20秒,公牛隊還有機會,任何人都知道他們會把球給誰。但這次Jordan失手了,他切入禁區但球被拍掉,接下來Toni Kukoc的出手也不進,Pippen和Jordan有機會把球撥進但也沒成功,於是黃蜂隊以98比97擊敗公牛隊,也終止了後者主場44連勝的紀錄。
「我不認為任何人在輸了這場比賽之後會輾轉反側。」公牛隊的Phil Jackson教練說:「我不覺得我們會對這場敗仗那麼失望。我們有機會可以取勝的。」
事後回顧,Jackson或許會覺得當初自己說錯了。那個球季他們後來只再輸了一場比賽,締造了單季72勝10敗的聯盟紀錄。不過20年後,這個紀錄終被金州勇士隊所破,巧合的是,勇士隊的當家球星Stephen Curry,正是當年兩罰幫助黃蜂隊逆轉取勝的Dell Curry的兒子。
「我的確記得去夏洛特體育館,看我爸打球。」Stephen Curry說:「那是一場你不會想錯過的比賽……我記得自己小時候待在後頭,待在球員通道,希望能和Jordan、Pippen、Dennis Rodman和Kerr教練擦身而過。小時候,那是一個很特別的時刻。」
兩支球隊或許前後差了一代二十年,但是任何一個籃球迷心中都會產生那個問題:1996年的公牛隊和2016年的勇士隊,到底誰比較強?
1996年的公牛隊如同當時的聯盟更強調籃板,而他們有著七連霸籃板王的Dennis Rodman,2016年的勇士隊則引領了現在聯盟強調三分外線的趨勢,當然單季投進超過400顆三分球的Stephen Curry,是聯盟首屈一指的射手,勇士隊的球風快速,而公牛隊的防守強悍,兩支球隊有著截然不同的球風,要怎麼比較誰強誰弱呢?
就像是每個張飛打岳飛的問題,每個籃球迷心中都有著自己的答案,知名數據網站「FiveThirtyEight」曾經透過模擬預測公牛隊有65%的機率會勝出,最可能的結果是4勝2敗,但是電動廠商2K Sports模擬的結果則剛好相反,最有可能的結果反而是勇士隊以六場比賽勝出,就連哈佛的學生也跳了進來,企圖利用運彩業的數據算出哪支球隊比較強。
Jordan或許難以阻擋,但又有誰能封鎖Curry?
向來愛大放厥詞、不加遮攔的名人堂球星Charles Barkley當然也有自己的見解。「那支公牛隊會痛宰這支矮小的球隊。」他曾說:「拜託,誰要守Scottie Pippen和Michael Jordan?還有Dennis Rodman?」
Barkley的觀點或許有些道理,畢竟Jordan可能是聯盟歷史上最難阻擋的進攻武器,但勇士隊也有好幾位球員可以利用各自特點騷擾Jordan,從Jordan的北卡學弟Harrison Barnes、防守能力被低估的Klay Thompson、曾經入選年度防守第一隊的Andre Iguodala和Draymond Green,每個都是身強體壯的優秀防守球員。
另一方面,公牛隊或許也會面臨相似的問題:誰要守Stephen Curry?
「我想我的體型和臂長可以對Curry造成一點影響。」Pippen說,他宣稱自己可以把Curry的得分壓制在20分之下。但是真是如此嗎?
Jackson教練在不久前受到許多人責難,因為他把Curry和1990年代的射手Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf相提並論。Curry和Abdul-Rauf或許不能相比,但是1996年的公牛隊正巧曾經敗在Abdul-Rauf所屬的丹佛金塊隊,那場比賽Abdul-Rauf三分球投10中4,獨得32分。
或許那只是一場比賽的結果,但Curry可是聯盟歷史上前所未見的射手,他的進攻威脅性或許不在Jordan之下,這點從與兩支球隊都有牽連的Kerr教練口中說出,也許更有說服力
「我很幸運可以和Michael Jordan一起打球,而且幾乎每個晚上,他都會有一些驚人的表現。」Kerr教練說:「我會說Steph現在也處在那個層次。你每天晚上都可以見識到,而且那很棒,不過那已經變得稀鬆平常,因為他太常有那樣表現。」
勇士隊的板凳深度優於公牛隊
「我不想說我們比他們強得多,但是我想不管攻守兩端,我們都有更多武器和力量。」Kukoc說:「我當然覺得如果在季後賽,我們會以4比1或4比2出線。」
但或許事實和Kukoc說的正好相反,相較於公牛隊,勇士隊反而更加兵多將廣,他們平均每場上場超過15分鐘的球員有九位,而公牛隊只有八位,而與替補球員比較價值因數(Value Over Replacement Player)不是負值的,勇士隊有14位,公牛隊只有10位。除此之外,勝利貢獻值(Win Shares)超過4的球員,勇士隊有七位,公牛隊只有六位,人們或許可以說公牛隊集中在Jordan、Pippen等幾位球員身上,但勇士隊還有Festus Ezeli和Leandro Barbosa等球員可以上場發揮些許影響(如下圖)。
勇士隊面對的競爭強度更勝過公牛隊
「我們有很多場比賽痛宰對手。」公牛隊主席Jerry Reinsdorf說:「他們有多少場比賽是打平,然後在延長賽才贏球?我們沒有那麼多那樣的比賽。」
的確,1996年的公牛隊平均勝分是12.2分,而2016年的勇士隊則是10.8分,公牛隊只打了兩場延長賽(兩場都贏球),勇士隊卻打了六場延長賽,還有一場二度延長賽(他們輸了其中一場)。
但是這樣的說法,或許忽略了1996年和2016年聯盟競爭強度的不同。從1988年球季起,NBA迅速從23支球隊擴張到29支球隊,從1988年的邁阿密熱火隊和夏洛特黃蜂隊、1989年的明尼蘇達灰狼隊和奧蘭多魔術隊到1995年的溫哥華灰熊隊和多倫多暴龍隊,相對的,在其後二十年間,聯盟只多增加了一支紐奧良鵜鶘隊,而根據ESPN的數據顯示,1996年球季的競爭強度似乎比2016年要弱了兩成。
最後一件事……
還有一點或許是最重要的,那就是公牛隊不用面對鋪天蓋地般的媒體和網路,直到球季後期,人們才開始關注他們可能打破1972年洛杉磯湖人隊的69勝戰績的新聞,當他們打破紀錄那一晚,球隊總管Jerry Krause甚至沒有和球隊在一起,而是在其他地方觀察別的球員。
「沒有每場比賽都在關注,像是今年的勇士隊一樣。」Kukoc說:「我們沒注意這件事。我們只有享受那時刻,贏下比賽。」
「我真的認為,就這件事不停歇的問題和討論-不管是主場連勝或是紀錄還是什麼-我認為那些的確造成影響,不管球員知不知道,或者有沒有意識到。」Kerr教練說。
當然了,有一點是現在勇士隊仍然比不上公牛隊的,那就是總冠軍。1996年的公牛隊在季後賽前11場比賽只輸了1場,他們直到總冠軍賽面對西雅圖超音速隊才真正面臨考驗,最後他們以六場勝出,捧回總冠軍。
勇士隊也清楚這點,Curry就說:「如果沒有把事情搞定就太糟糕了。」
「我們擁抱它,我們很享受。」Andrew Bogut這樣評論73勝的紀錄:「現在下一步是要把那數字推到89。」
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