08年Kobe與Paul的MVP之爭討論 - NBA

By Dora
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當年給KOBE就是靠媒體優勢還有KOBE已經快過巔峰 以後大概沒機會
CP3還年輕還有機會在拿 所以就給KOBE 這真的是很可笑的理由
為杜絕有人又再說PTT看世界 外國質疑聲也很多 先補一個之前板上有的文章
#1Kw_b0dM (NBA) [ptt.cc] [情報] 美媒反駁Kobe:僅一次MVP不不冤 從未賽季最佳
針對Kobe認為自己只拿過一次例行賽MVP是因為被媒體投票限制,NBC記者Dan Feldman撰
文進行反駁,Feldman表示Kobe只有一次當選MVP並不冤,因為Kobe從未在單個賽季成為聯
盟最佳,能有一次獲獎已經不錯了。
略
不過總而言之,媒體不應為Kobe沒有拿到多個MVP而負責,我甚至認為媒體在最近
幾個賽季票選MVP時對Kobe評價過高了。
上面這點在這記者還沒發文時 我以前就說過 KOBE在最近幾個賽季 靠牌子拿票已經
是常態了 當然除了靠牌子偷MVP票數 防守第一隊在後期也不知道靠牌子偷了幾次
這大家都知道
#1HXpgb3M (NBA) 我在2013年MVP一公布就發文指出KOBE憑什麼拿這麼多分
那年F4陣容還靠黑哨擠進季後賽 戰績超差 數據也沒比別人好 結果MVP排第五
FG% 3P% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS PER WS/48 球隊戰績
LeBron James .565 .406 8.0 7.3 1.7 0.9 3.0 26.8 31.6 .322 66-16
Kevin Durant .510 .416 7.9 4.6 1.4 1.3 3.5 28.1 28.3 .291 60-22
Carmelo Anthony .449 .379 6.9 2.6 0.8 0.5 2.6 28.7 24.8 .184 54-28
Chris Paul .481 .328 3.7 9.7 2.4 0.1 2.3 16.9 26.4 .287 56-26
Kobe Bryant .463 .324 5.6 6.0 1.4 0.3 3.7 27.3 23.0 .174 45-37
Tony Parker .522 .353 3.0 7.6 0.8 0.1 2.6 20.3 23.0 .206 58-24
票數 #1HXnBxwo (NBA)
Player 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th TOTAL
LeBron James 120 1 0 0 0 1,207
Kevin Durant 0 93 21 2 3 765
Carmelo Anthony 1 16 51 27 17 475
Chris Paul 0 2 27 39 23 289
Kobe Bryant 0 4 12 23 27 184
Tony Parker 0 2 7 8 13 86
Tim Duncan 0 2 1 12 10 65
James Harden 0 0 0 7 12 33
第二名的票還有4張 排第三 這4個人在想什麼 不懂 很明顯又是靠人氣牌子優勢
往年的也有這種現象 我就不列了 只想證明KOBE靠牌子偷票 不只在07-08年
沒拿到MVP時的其它年 票數也有這種現象
最奇妙的是他本人還敢出來放話
[情報] Kobe:MVP拿得少全拜媒體所賜 難道有誰不想多拿?
接下來討論誰該拿MVP
戰績 LAL 57-25
NOH 56-26
戰績差不多一場差 所以都是後衛直接比數據
FG FGA FG% 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
KOBE 9.5 20.6 .459 5.1 .361 7.6 9.0 .840 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 3.1 2.8 28.3
CP3 7.9 16.1 .488 3.1 .369 4.2 4.9 .851 4.0 11.6 2.7 0.1 2.5 2.3 21.1
首先命中率就有落差 很明顯有人靠出手洗分 還有當年得分王不是KOBE是LBJ場均30分
CP3是助攻王+抄截王 尤其助攻根本大落差 以KOBE這種一球在手也洗不出來 況且CP3
這種大量助攻還能比KOBE失誤少很多 完全是優秀的PG
來比較進階數據
TS% eFG% WS WS/48 BPM VORP PER
KOBE .576 .503 13.8 .208 5.4 6.0 24.2
CP3 .576 .524 17.8 .284 9.2 8.5 28.3
TS%:可以看出進攻效率 很明顯KOBE大量出手罰球 還是效率跟CP3一樣
eFG%:可以看出射手價值 CP3勝
WS勝利貢獻指數:看出一人對球隊了貢獻多少勝 CP3是當年聯盟第一比第二的LBJ 15.2
還高很多 KOBE只排第五
WS/48每48分鐘WS值:更是落差極大 CP3第一 第二KG .265 KOBE只排第八
BPM=DBPM(D防守)+OBPM(O進攻):大概解釋一下每100回合把該球員放到一個聯盟平均
水準的球隊 且相較於聯盟平均球員 此球員可以貢獻多少分
cp3明顯高kobe很多 該季第一lbj 11.2 cp3第二 kobe第六
VORP:每100回合把該球員放到一個聯盟平均水準的球隊該球員跟替補球員的差值
LBJ第一10.1 CP3第二 KOBE第三
PER球員效率指數:LBJ第一29.1 CP3第二 KOBE第八
至於在考慮隊友部分有人說過了
#1Kib6PWH (NBA) [ptt.cc] Re: [討論] kobe真的偷了MVP跟FMVP
KOBE WS/48 只排湖人第三 雖然1.2名兩人上場場數不算多
但CP3 當時黃蜂隊第二的拳王WS/48掉到0.172 跟CP3差距極大
明顯隊友有差異
接下來
你後面提的94-95火箭季後賽 在講MVP你扯到FMVP 而且FMVP是看冠軍戰
你好像是拿整個季後賽的WS/48來比.......
直接列冠軍戰場均
Hakeem Olajuwon
MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
44.8 14.0 29.0 .483 0.3 0.3 1.00 4.5 6.5 .692 11.5 5.5 2.0 2.0 2.8 32.8
Clyde Drexler
MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
40.5 6.8 15.0 .450 0.5 3.3 .154 7.5 9.5 .789 9.5 6.8 1.0 0.3 1.5 21.5
這誰拿很明顯了吧?
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CP3還年輕還有機會在拿 所以就給KOBE 這真的是很可笑的理由
為杜絕有人又再說PTT看世界 外國質疑聲也很多 先補一個之前板上有的文章
#1Kw_b0dM (NBA) [ptt.cc] [情報] 美媒反駁Kobe:僅一次MVP不不冤 從未賽季最佳
針對Kobe認為自己只拿過一次例行賽MVP是因為被媒體投票限制,NBC記者Dan Feldman撰
文進行反駁,Feldman表示Kobe只有一次當選MVP並不冤,因為Kobe從未在單個賽季成為聯
盟最佳,能有一次獲獎已經不錯了。
略
不過總而言之,媒體不應為Kobe沒有拿到多個MVP而負責,我甚至認為媒體在最近
幾個賽季票選MVP時對Kobe評價過高了。
上面這點在這記者還沒發文時 我以前就說過 KOBE在最近幾個賽季 靠牌子拿票已經
是常態了 當然除了靠牌子偷MVP票數 防守第一隊在後期也不知道靠牌子偷了幾次
這大家都知道
#1HXpgb3M (NBA) 我在2013年MVP一公布就發文指出KOBE憑什麼拿這麼多分
那年F4陣容還靠黑哨擠進季後賽 戰績超差 數據也沒比別人好 結果MVP排第五
FG% 3P% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS PER WS/48 球隊戰績
LeBron James .565 .406 8.0 7.3 1.7 0.9 3.0 26.8 31.6 .322 66-16
Kevin Durant .510 .416 7.9 4.6 1.4 1.3 3.5 28.1 28.3 .291 60-22
Carmelo Anthony .449 .379 6.9 2.6 0.8 0.5 2.6 28.7 24.8 .184 54-28
Chris Paul .481 .328 3.7 9.7 2.4 0.1 2.3 16.9 26.4 .287 56-26
Kobe Bryant .463 .324 5.6 6.0 1.4 0.3 3.7 27.3 23.0 .174 45-37
Tony Parker .522 .353 3.0 7.6 0.8 0.1 2.6 20.3 23.0 .206 58-24
票數 #1HXnBxwo (NBA)
Player 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th TOTAL
LeBron James 120 1 0 0 0 1,207
Kevin Durant 0 93 21 2 3 765
Carmelo Anthony 1 16 51 27 17 475
Chris Paul 0 2 27 39 23 289
Kobe Bryant 0 4 12 23 27 184
Tony Parker 0 2 7 8 13 86
Tim Duncan 0 2 1 12 10 65
James Harden 0 0 0 7 12 33
第二名的票還有4張 排第三 這4個人在想什麼 不懂 很明顯又是靠人氣牌子優勢
往年的也有這種現象 我就不列了 只想證明KOBE靠牌子偷票 不只在07-08年
沒拿到MVP時的其它年 票數也有這種現象
最奇妙的是他本人還敢出來放話
[情報] Kobe:MVP拿得少全拜媒體所賜 難道有誰不想多拿?
接下來討論誰該拿MVP
戰績 LAL 57-25
NOH 56-26
戰績差不多一場差 所以都是後衛直接比數據
FG FGA FG% 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
KOBE 9.5 20.6 .459 5.1 .361 7.6 9.0 .840 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 3.1 2.8 28.3
CP3 7.9 16.1 .488 3.1 .369 4.2 4.9 .851 4.0 11.6 2.7 0.1 2.5 2.3 21.1
首先命中率就有落差 很明顯有人靠出手洗分 還有當年得分王不是KOBE是LBJ場均30分
CP3是助攻王+抄截王 尤其助攻根本大落差 以KOBE這種一球在手也洗不出來 況且CP3
這種大量助攻還能比KOBE失誤少很多 完全是優秀的PG
來比較進階數據
TS% eFG% WS WS/48 BPM VORP PER
KOBE .576 .503 13.8 .208 5.4 6.0 24.2
CP3 .576 .524 17.8 .284 9.2 8.5 28.3
TS%:可以看出進攻效率 很明顯KOBE大量出手罰球 還是效率跟CP3一樣
eFG%:可以看出射手價值 CP3勝
WS勝利貢獻指數:看出一人對球隊了貢獻多少勝 CP3是當年聯盟第一比第二的LBJ 15.2
還高很多 KOBE只排第五
WS/48每48分鐘WS值:更是落差極大 CP3第一 第二KG .265 KOBE只排第八
BPM=DBPM(D防守)+OBPM(O進攻):大概解釋一下每100回合把該球員放到一個聯盟平均
水準的球隊 且相較於聯盟平均球員 此球員可以貢獻多少分
cp3明顯高kobe很多 該季第一lbj 11.2 cp3第二 kobe第六
VORP:每100回合把該球員放到一個聯盟平均水準的球隊該球員跟替補球員的差值
LBJ第一10.1 CP3第二 KOBE第三
PER球員效率指數:LBJ第一29.1 CP3第二 KOBE第八
至於在考慮隊友部分有人說過了
#1Kib6PWH (NBA) [ptt.cc] Re: [討論] kobe真的偷了MVP跟FMVP
KOBE WS/48 只排湖人第三 雖然1.2名兩人上場場數不算多
但CP3 當時黃蜂隊第二的拳王WS/48掉到0.172 跟CP3差距極大
明顯隊友有差異
接下來
你後面提的94-95火箭季後賽 在講MVP你扯到FMVP 而且FMVP是看冠軍戰
你好像是拿整個季後賽的WS/48來比.......
直接列冠軍戰場均
Hakeem Olajuwon
MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
44.8 14.0 29.0 .483 0.3 0.3 1.00 4.5 6.5 .692 11.5 5.5 2.0 2.0 2.8 32.8
Clyde Drexler
MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
40.5 6.8 15.0 .450 0.5 3.3 .154 7.5 9.5 .789 9.5 6.8 1.0 0.3 1.5 21.5
這誰拿很明顯了吧?
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